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Why Dow 16000 will be sold

Posted by Danny on July 27, 2013

Investors are wondering why the US stock markets keep going up, no matter which news hits the wire. Every sell-off seems to be bought, and traders who tried to bet against this market are probably getting very frustrated by now.
I think this market will not go down before the Dow Jones Industrials has crested 16000, but once it does we are likely to see some serious selling. Here is why.

The Dow Jones is still one of the most widely watched market benchmarks. Long term Dow charts are now starting to show a very big triple top, it is hard not to notice (click for larger image):

Dow monthly

Three major lines to watch in this chart.
The thick blue line connects the 2000 and 2007 peaks. If the Dow climbs to 16400 then it will bump into this line again. Some investors and fund managers who watch long term charts will probably do some selling at that point.
The thick magenta line has offered support and resistance since 1998, with multiple touches throughout the years. When the market climbed above 14000 in early January it also broke out above this major resistance line for the first time since 2008. That’s why sights are now set on the upper resistance around 16400.
The thick green line is likely to become major support in the next years. More on it below.

The magenta line has also been interesting from a timing point of view. When it reached 11750, the year 2000 Dow record high, it corresponded with the stock market low in early 2009. Right now the magenta line is reaching 14200, which was the year 2007 record high. It looks like it could mark another extreme, a major high this time. If the Dow reaches 16400 (+/- 200) in August then I would hold on to my hat.

Assuming the market goes that high, what would the downside targets become? First would be the magenta line, now offering support at 14200. If that doesn’t hold, then look for support at the thick green line. This green line is using a same slope as the 2002-2007 up trend. A quick crash could take us down to 10600 this autumn, a more orderly decline would target 11750 by mid 2014.

There are also a bunch of other mathematical relationships pointing to the 16400 area as an important target:
1) 2011 high – 2009 low = 12876 – 6470 = 6406 points advance
Late 2011 low + 6406 points = 10404 + 6406 = 16810

2) 2009 low -> 2011 high = 6406 / 6470 = 99% advance
A Fibonacci 0.618 * 99% = 61.19%
Late 2011 low + 61.19% = 10404 + 6366 = 16770

3) 2007 high – 2000 high = 14198 – 11750 = 2448 points
2007 high + 2448 points = 14198 + 2448 = 16646

4) 2000 high * 1.382 (Fibonacci) = 11750 * 1.382 = 16239

5) 2009 low + 10000 points = 16470

6) 2009 low * 2.618 (Fibonacci) = 6470 * 2.618 = 16938

7) 2011 low * 1.618 (Fibonacci) = 10404 * 1.618 = 16834

8) 2000 high – 2002 low = 11750 – 7197 = 4553 points decline
2000 high + 4553 = 11750 + 4553 = 16303

9) 2012 low * 1.382 (Fibonacci) = 12035 * 1.382 = 16632

10) 1997 high * 2 = 8299 * 2 = 16598

That’s a lot of reasons to become careful if the Dow reaches 16400.

Possible ways to play this scenario. If the Dow is to peak in that price area, then it will probably get there fast rather than slowly. I would say August peak. So, I have bought some August calls last week, and if this scenario unfolds then they will go up nicely by mid August. If that’s the case, then I will sell my calls and put the money in October puts.

The chance that it will work out? Maybe some 20% chance. So, don’t bet the bank on it.

Be well,



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9 Responses to “Why Dow 16000 will be sold”

  1. vick said

    Danny, i thought this might be of interest to you so i am writing; this week’s Barron’s weekly has a post on page 13 by Robert Marrow who mentions of stock market vibrations showing some interesting features and may crash to level 1532 ; this same gentelman in past has successfully predicted previous ups and downs. thought might be interesting to you.
    thanks again,

    • Danny said

      Thanks Vick.
      A google search for Robert Marrow didn’t yield anything, so it looks like the article is not online.

      • vick said

        i do not know whether there is any link to it or not but it is in next week’s Barron’s page 13 and it is written there in the boxed format at the right hand lower corner which can not be missed

  2. nina said

    vick any link ?

  3. vick said


    i may have misspelled his name though i made sure the article is in Barron’s under name Bear hunting and bad vibes on the market by christopher c. williams

    his right name is: Robert Morrow , institutional advisory, Bradenton, Fla

  4. Steve T said

    Bob Morrow is not 100% perfect by any means:

    S&P went from around 1008 end of Aug 2003 only as high as 1050 by mid-Oct 2003, then traded sideways but never had any correction and then it resumed its uptrend in early Dec and kept climbing to as high as 1159 by mid-Feb 2014 before slowing down. In fact it mainly traded sideways throughout most of 2004 until the last two months where it resumed the uptrend.

    In the article above he was expecting a 10% to 14% decline for approx two months after a mid-Oct 2003 peak and the interviewer also brought up some of his wrong calls made on previous interviews too. Of course he has also been right on some of the past major bear market declines but who really knows how many numerous predictions he has made over the years? If you make 100 predictions then even 5 or 10 of them will eventually turn out to be correct.

    • Danny said

      And here is another interview from late 1999:
      Clearly didn’t pan out either as the Dow went nowhere near 14777 in the 2nd half of 2001, nor did the S&P go to 1876 (and in fact we are still waiting to reach that level).

      So, the most surprising thing seems to be that he still manages to charge $10000 per year for his advise.

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